....can we all please stop being so scared of the hold line and move up to it please?
I hear you. However my hunch is the problem is not fear of the line, but a misconception of where ones proboscis is. I fly the 767 and we were taught to locate the nose by using a sight line across the front corner of a side windscreen. However if one bothers to check where this line meets the ground, it is way too conservative. Meets the ground about 4 or 5m in front of the nose. So I refined it to where it really is. Easy to test. Next time someone is doing a walkaround, get them to walk a line perpendicular to the radome to see how accurate your current methodology is. Cant hurt and you might be surprised like I was.