I dare say that the Playpen is more fun, but all we need now is for Seldom to wear his Membership Police hat in here and it will have descended to the immature levels of much that surrounds it. It would be nice if the rubbish could be aimed at Jetblast and at least some mature conversation maintained without interfearance.
Beagle: One suspects fuel starvation as the Spit tends to cough a black cloud worthy of a Wessex when it is done to this day.