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Old 26th August 2011 | 20:28
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Welsh Wingman
 
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DozyWannabe / TJHarwood

I don't wish to be accused of putting words into TJHarwood's mouth, but I interpreted his comparison between the crashes as limited to the similarities between the instant discomfort of the PF upon losing his automation. I don't think that was a happy cockpit from the A/P disconnect, and the roll oscillations weren't long in coming....

DozyWannabe - but you raise a point that TJHarwood appears to have overlooked i.e. PNF "nagging". Wasn't the PNF in 1992 concerned about the PF's positional shortcomings (sadly horizontal, not vertical) in much the same way as the AF447 PNF was concerned about the PF's inputs and the climb? Good point re: disconnect between pilots on both occasions.

And whatever one think about an AoA indicator or BUSS as an option, I think we can all agree that a GPWS should never be optional (whatever SNCF's TGV competition).

Human factors, and that must focus on the interface and training. Automation, properly used i.e. "airmanship plus".
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