lj, agree with you. we pilots tend to be big headed and think the world about ourselves but seldom realise we had the rug pulled from under our feet until too late. the management types with lousy maths and science score normally do the law, commerce or admin courses. it doesn't matter if the barely passed but with our ketuanan policies in place they breeze into management position and screw everything up. their screw ups are easily overlooked by their patrons as long as they keep the techies ( pilots, lames, etc ) in line with their f**k up terms and conditions, policies, industrial practices and so on and so forth.