Originally Posted by
Safety Concerns;Post#2973
we are going in circles.
....This is not and should not be about technology.
It is about training.
The AF 447 accident showed clearly problems with training. But it showed problems that span other areas as well, which contributed to the outcome during all 3 phases, including the last two (2) : (a) climb and getting into the stall, and (b) fall and attempt to recover.
It's hard to escape the impression that being selective in reading, and answering on this thread - an example seems to be the ignoring (so far) of RetiredF4's post# 2969, and airtren post# 2971 - is helping to come back to the same conclusion, in a self created circle.
The stick's shortcoming(s), along with those of some other elements were pointed out throughout the AF 447 threads, and they are easy to see or understand for a technologist, engineer, or system architect, and as I said, I am quite sure they are well known by those that should know.
Originally Posted by RetiredF4;Post#2969
- tactile feedback from the second set of control input, being it SS or yoke.
Those feedbacks … are missing when things start to get wrong in more way…. [and more]
Originally Posted by airtren, Post#2971
... The failure of the indirection and translation/conversion of information, as it is shown by the AF 447 - night time, and instrument information malfunction - is a clear instance for anyone who is objective enough to see the system in which the chain of indirection and translation/conversion of information was/got broken due to its weakness….
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Originally Posted by
Safety Concerns;Post#2957
Many of you will remember the introduction of computers and hand held calculators. Apparently they were rubbish because they kept making mistakes in their calculations. The mistake however was more often than not the user. Rubbish in, rubbish out.
During the roughly 1/2 a century of electronic computers, generation, after generation, problems/bugs in the software and/or hardware were cause of operational problems, smaller, or bigger, and got fixed from one version to the next of the OS/applications, or of the hardware, regardless of the particulars of the software, or hardware technology used. In the same time, new versions brought new sets of problems/bugs. And the cycles are continuing, it's not different today, than it was 10, or 20, or more years ago, and it's not different than it is in other industries.