Good post TB, logical and rational. I think you are probably under estimating the continued union action against the company. Must be 10 ish years now. In that time not one company offer has been accepted. Some of them quite reasonable. There is no reason for the company to destroy the conditions of the aircrew, it makes no sense, particularly financially. The swings and roundabouts of management philosophy is back to - lets keep a happy and settled workforce - training and proficiency costs etc. You make issue with the 'sign this or else' apparent attitude of the company, well I propose to you that should one or any of the company proposals have been accepted we would never have got there. I said before, when Scargill left the coalminers union HIS union leadership said of him "he never understood that a union must negotiate the best deal possible before a deal is forced on the membership". I have also said that a part time union leadership is no match for a full time management body if they follow an intransigent route. Where do we go from here? I want the 49ers back but this union leadership neither listens nor understands. This is my opinion and I don't dislike them as persons and will happily quoff ales with them.