Going back to te "indignant" replies from C130J crews, the fact is that the project HAS been beset by problem. I like many others, have no doubt that the is a good aircraft, and will improve still further in the future. However, in the context of this discussion, itwas delivered late, was not capable at that time of all that was expected and required of it, and only now, after years of fettling, with tons of extra money thrown at it, it is performing as it should have done origionally. None of this is a dig at the J or its crews, just another example of how manufacturers take us for a ride again and again.