Sorry Liam I enjoy your inputs, don't care what you think undies or dead person. I now have spoken to two of the people involved in the last discussions between the company and the AOA. One of the most senior of the AOA team and NR. There was an offer made in principle from NR, it went along the lines of 'this is what we are prepared to accept' it included all I mentioned previously. The offer was passed to AOA head shed and they came back with what they said were 'party stoppers' this included all 49ers back with no interviews and eg credit time for guys on sick leave amongst other ridiculous demands. You can all bull **** until the cows come home but this cat is now completely anti AOA management. On another tack, the offer, OFFER included all captains on A scales, there are now - including captains on course - around 40 of those. Talks about talks - spin doctor crap.