What is bear getting at? Merely this. The SW was alive for ~54 seconds, seemingly without effect re: crew actions. The loss of altitude was grave, the VSI reads were alarming, and yet there is a definite disregard for hard data to effect a recovery FROM STALL. The focus may not have been on STALL. Because we know what happened ( yet continue to gripe and argue about the hard data!), does NOT mean that is what the crew were addressing as their immediate challenge. The CAPTAIN is unsure about whether to PUSH or PULL!
Now all this is from a redacted and selective release of conversation absent tone, inflection, and strict sequence. The only explanation relative to 447's demise based on BEA has to do with how moronic and clumsy these gents acted. I do not for a second believe that to be the case. Instead, I choose the other option, one that makes more sense based on BEA and hopefully their honest representations of the Data, and not an attempt to slander the crew. A DIVE. TOO MUCH SPEED. A reliance on the g protections available in ALTERNATE LAW 2. The only thing they could not get is why she refused to climb when commanded, screw the STALL HORN.
rant, fading into........
@Lonewolf. Finally, It matters less than a gnat's whisker whether you 'get' or I 'get'. Our disagreement is nada. What matters is what THEY thought. I am not seeking drama, I am asking why would the crew speak twice of Altitude, than finally, "hoping a Pull Up, we are at 4000". ? I'm trying to wear their moccasins, in an effort to understand: Why the "Nonchalance"?
What matters is what they think of what THEY spoke! "@9000......@8000"
one second after the other. Does one of them not 'get' the VSI, and someone is trying to REMIND? At 8000, than 4000 feet?
To me, and it is a GUESS, it means they are worried about Overspeed, which means at any split second they can start a successful recovery, even at 4000 feet. No NEED to reload the wings, spend 10000 feet and then have to worry about tearing the wings OFF.
That is why, In my opinion, they were not speaking STALL!
As in: Captain : "N'est-ce pas possible!!" "****in A, we're STALLED"
Last edited by bearfoil; 3rd August 2011 at 22:45.