Woolf....that is just what I said in my post.....as I read it....I clearly differentiated between the handling..non-handling pilots and who landed and such...along with when to hand over the controls or not......or did I make an errror somewhere. Can you straighten out my error if I made one......don't want to put out bad poop here! Other posters have said bascially the same thing but not in the detailed manner I did but do go back over my post and sort out where I went wrong for me.