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Old 30th Jul 2011, 00:27
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HarryMann
 
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PF: Mais je suis à fond à cabrer depuis tout à l’heure
But I've been pulling to the back stop for a good while
Almost the last PF statement was that he'd been full NU for pretty well the whole episode...
This seems to be what the Captain picked up on, and reversed his advice
He probably then realised this had been a full stall sometime before he'd entered the cockpit

Indeed was it then that the CAPN glanced at the THS trimwheel position to confirm his worst fears

And was the PF also trying to communicate that he knew the THS trim was (or must be) very NU too ?

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AoA gauge or not, the constant and rather crude sounding references to simply Nose Up (or even just Go up) and Nose Down (or even just, Going Down)

surely bear many of the hallmarks, even accepting the stress, incomprehension and tunnel vision of rather one dimensional training alongside a very hands-off cockpit experience.

Any reasonable CRM does seem to have broken down. As noticed, PNF's main contribution was to recall the Captain promptly. It is painful to contemplate they were effectively passengers until a late and saddening eureka moment.

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That said, if what we mostly all believe to be true, in the way this ocurred, many questions need to be answered of the aircraft systems and controls and cockpit & flight ergonomics.

This is not about icing pitots... the crew are there for just that reason, and potentially many other unforseen situations. There also seems to be a significant gap developing between flight crew capabilities - and those required for safe flight under emergency and/or exceptional conditions.

The CAPN, FO 1 and FO 2 crewing that replaced the Flight Engineer system so many years ago, this crew complement itself... was it even functioning in any way as originally promised and intended?

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