Hopefully Friday we will know if an overspeed warning caused the pf to pitch up. I will be glad when that dispute is over. It is the simplest explanation of why they zoomed 3,000 ft. I flew sailplanes and towed them before the airline career began but like Sully, don't think it would have helped in either situation with a jet airliner. Good basic flying experience though. Something not encouraged much any more with automation unfortunately.