Thanks steve, after giving it some thought I agree the whole ctc set up looks like there taking you for the money 80k and not a guarantee of a job I mean what do you live on in Southampton when your studying for the course as your not allowed to work then you have to pay the loan back it's not for me besides I do not have a big enough house for this kind of loan there must be other routes to take if not I'll stick with my ppl and carry on dreaming!