Presumably, Hot Dog, that would include the FE who, in spite of being advised by me that the Bev fire system was ACTIVE, even with the Battery Master switch OFF, insisted on proving his superior knowledge by pressing a fire switch ... action closely followed by dull thump and drip, drip, drip!!
Note, FEs were NOT original crew complement but and add-on to improve safety!! No doubt there are/were some very competent people out there but, like all varieties of crew member, not all!
Used to have this sort of 'conversation' re. the relative merits of the 747-400 v the Classic crewing. Never did find, or hear of, an FE who would/could monitor systems as many times per SECOND as the 400's system did.
Now retires to avoid incoming
