A excellent post from someone who, like me, enjoyed the good times in the airlines, airlines run with pride and respect. Sadly you are preaching to the converted, we KNOW how a good airline is run, which only makes it worse. We can look around and see how TE is run, with a good CEO at the helm, we can see the massive improvement in Virgin under Borgetti, and then we look back at a grand ol airline like QF and weep. Until Joyce and Clifford go, it can only struggle on, its only advantage is a staff through treated like s%it, are determined to keep it going. What can the rest of us do, the retirees, the QF loyalists, the people who just love it for its history, well for a start email your MP, point out the problems, point out the history and the fear for the airline, point out the safety issues if they start employing foreign pilots, encourage it to be brought up in parliament, get it out there. Yes it is a private company, but it is also QF, joined at the hip with this country, one without the other is unthinkable, and most MP's will be sympathetic. Start writing people, to the papers, the govt. and most of all bombard Nick Xenophon, we know he does care, and he could well be the catalyst around which we could campaign. For those who rubbish this, then please come up with your suggestion to keep this airline from failing, doing nothing is out of the question.