We have long reached the point where reason has departed this discussion to be replaced by obsession. I thought that the point of this campaign was to remove the 'gross negligence' label, but it seems that the pilots must be totally cleared of blame. Well you can't, ultimately the question remains, what were they doing in those conditions, at that level and speed in what apparantly was a perfectly servicable aircraft in controlled flight? They certainly put themselves in a position that in the event of a problem they would be very vulnerable indeed. You can have as many lawyers, Lords, Scottish sheriffs et al as you like, but those of us who have operated SH in N Ireland and that includes AM Day suspect aircrew error.