PJ - that fits with my understanding, so where the *** does 7000fpm come from? That is one hell of a r o c for a 'transient nose-up followed by nose down'. To take your words "but was NU briefly which initiated the pitch-up" - I am still having difficulty in envisaging 7000fpm in a 200t a/c at FL350 from that - are you content? I am, by the way, quite aware of what BEA are saying about when the THS moved and I have assumed it was to compensate for the increasing NU demand on the elevator from PF's 'stall recovery'.