Liam, thank you for your well written post. I have never called anyone a liar - fibber. I have no doubt the 'recollections' of the VP are exactly as he has outlined them. Funny thing memory though isn't it, we always remember the good bits as time fades and the mind slowly but surely extricates the 'bad' bits. Take pain as an example, the mind inevitably will not recall pain as such so people often make the same decisions leading to the same pain time after time. I will make one last try on the third floor today, as I will be at Kitty City, to try and get the other side of the story. failing that you have my word that I will never raise this issue again. I doubt the motives of a number of the players in this saga and indeed the veracity of others. You don't need to tell a blatant porky pie, just leave a bit out and the result is the same. What have the wise ones said about porkies, for a lie to believable it must contain an element of truth and a big lie is often more believable and easier to maintain than a little one. Not that I am saying anyone is lying lol. Regards to you.