I think this 'was there an offer' issue is very important. It strikes at the credibility of the AOA leadership team. I have tried through various means to get a copy of said 'offer' but up to now to no avail. I would not condescend to calling people false over this because what I think happened is this. A tentative offer was made at a meeting in NR's office with one or more of the AOA negotiating team present, the offer was verbal and hands were shaken on it. The alleged offer included the requirement for all 49ers to be interviewed to assess their company 'loyalty'. It only included improvements in conditions including all captains (pax) to go to A scale and a modest improvement to the freighter pay rates. This 'offer' never got out of the AOA headshed to the union proletariat. The spin doctors got to work and it became known as talks about talks. The main sticking point, I have been told, was the assessment requirement for the 49ers and whether they would be recompensed for time away from the workplace. Both very sensitive issues and I have no reason to comment on them. I will not name AOA names here as it would/could embarass them but my information came from those well in the know at the AOA. Now like it or not many folk think as I do that there was an offer made. The only way to clear this issue up is for someone in authority to come clean. Liam made the point earlier that there are too many proposals made to always relay them to the membership. Well that's as maybe, but on an issue this important the guys/gals should have been fully informed, assuming what I have been told to be correct. Get your false teeth into this lot Cpt panties.