Macdo - the figures are not unsubstantiated - the figure of 4 aircraft leaving came from the mouth (well, fingers) of FP himself, and as I said, this is to be confirmed. Aircraft are crewed at 14 pilots per 320 and 18 per 330, hence my figure of 70 pilots. Yes there are pilots leaving - current figure stands at 20-25 (including 12 to BA - most of whom are in the hold pool and not likely to be handing in their notice until next year.) So 45 to 50 pilots overcrewed. I'm not saying there will be 45-50 redundancies. I just said that redundancies are more likely than recruitment. I stand by that.