infrequentflyer789
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: uk
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Originally Posted by bubbers44
So the PF with less than a year experience in the Airbus used full nose up SS with this knowledge???? Did he forget? Why did both pilots use full up pitch control if they knew they had no stall protection? All us conventional airline pilots know exactly what would happen. Exactly what their profile did putting them in a deep stall.
I also know exactly what would happen, merely from the perspective of knowing a bit about how stuff that flys (and control systems) is designed and built. I have no answer as to "why" though.
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The initial report left all the important stuff out like if they pulled up and with frozen pitot tubes and static pressure dropping did they get an erroneous overspeed warning.
reports are clear that the speeds failed low, not high.
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They must have a reason to keep this quiet but eventually they will have to tell us what really happened up there.
I'm curious - from a pilot's perspective, what do you (or any o fthe other real pilots on here) think "really happened" in the colgan crash, where the report says PF pulled hard back through stick shaker and stick pusher ?
I think the inexperienced Colgan pilots resorted to a previous aircraft the captain had flown that had a tailplane stall recovery procedure that was opposite of wing stall recovery. This wasn't a problem in their aircraft and all pilots are taught to lower the nose in a stall, they raised it causing the crash.
That is why I couldn't understand why on this flight they pulled back on the side stick zooming 2500 ft above their altitude when we all know this would put you in a deep stall which could only be recovered from by lowering the nose a lot and using a lot of power to save the aircraft. Something motivated them to pull back and all I can think of is an overspeed warning that was false. Why else would you pull back? I know the report said they lost their airspeed but if that was the case wouldn't they hold pitch and attitude, not pull back until they went into a full stall?
The fact they are holding all the pertinent information back that they have makes me think we will have some big surprises when they finally have to reveal it to the public.