I personally think that Joyce is doing a fantastic job of keeping qantas profitable and competitive in a time of massive challenges. Instead of this mindless complaining and bleating, none of which is supported with rational argument, You blubbering cry babies, and i am talking about both aircrew and those teary eyed dropkicks in engineering, should collectively pucker up and kiss his Irish backside for keeping you in a secure job as half of you would be unemployable anywhere else! Seriously, you would be at macdonalds serving burgers or driving cabs for an Indian boss if he was a lesser manager. Get over yourselves!