I can completely agree. As one of the very lucky few whose family member is on the (soon to be nonexistant) A scale (STC for 25 years) I have to say go and look at what CX guys are saying to their kids. I was in a very fortunate position to have a beer with said family member and his friends who all joined pre 1990. What CX WAS and what it IS is a very different beast. From people I know within the belly - If their telling their own kids (who hear it from a lot of others) not to do it? Why do it?
CALLDEPATURES - I'm happy with my NT chief, we may have had a beer together...