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Originally Posted by Smilin_Ed
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It seems that a number 1 priority is that AB recognise that their aircraft can stall....
BOAC:Fully agree!
infrequentflyer789
If they didn't think it could stall, why did they build in a stall warning and stick shaker ? Why did they document it ? Why did they publish info on stall recovery procedures ?
Airbus knows, and always has, that their aircraft can stall. Airbus state, and always have, that their aircraft can stall. So where does this "cannot stall" come from, who is saying it ? Are there really actual airbus pilots (as opposed to clueless journalists etc) who believe their a/c cannot stall ? If so, the training is way more broken than even the most extreem comments on this thread have suggested.
I can help out here. Some time ago (1998) the chief test pilot of airbus itself,
Captain William Wainwright, is saying:
"The end result of two years work is a training
package including a video and a CD-ROM,
giving an airplane upset recovery training aid.
This package is on free issue to all our
customers, to use as they wish. However, all
members of the joint industry group agreed that
the package is aimed at preventing loss of
control accidents on conventional aircraft.
It is
not aimed at protected Fly-by-Wire aircraft.
There is no need for this type of continuation
training on protected aircraft, although a
general knowledge of the principles involved is
useful for every pilot"
Source:
Airplane
Upset Recovery Training Aid*
It was not the idea of airbus alone, however, on the boing page it looked somewhat different.
"Aerodynamic principles of large, swept-wing commercial jet airplanes are similar among all manufacturers. In the interest of safety, and the desire to acknowledge the commonality in recovery techniques, this article was written jointly by Airbus, Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, and Douglas Products Division.
The article focuses on Airbus and Boeing airplanes that do not have electronic flight controls, commonly known as fly-by-wire. However, when a fly-by-wire airplane is in a degraded control law (mode), the recovery techniques are appropriate. Additionally, certain conditions can upset any airplane and the basic principles of recognition and recovery still apply regardless of the flight control architecture."
Source:
Aerodynamic Principles of Large-Airplane UpsetsLoss of Control in Large Airplanes