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Old 23rd May 2011, 17:42
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Hi Khashoggi,
Originally Posted by Khashoggi
If I understand these latest leaks/rumors is that Capt Dubois travels up to the cockpit after presumably noticing the engines spooling down/noise and/or the AoA/deck angle increasing.
If one follow "DerSpiegelLeaks", Captain was not on the deck when the event "started" after the "pitots iced", hence 0210 as it is said also that it takes a little over four minutes to go down (0214+). But, his voice was heard later shooting orders.
But when?
0210... 0211... 0212... 0213... 0214?
Your proposition is 0210, as he was just behind the door.

Originally Posted by Khashoggi
He then presumably instructs his colleagues to go max thrust to prevent an impending stall due to iced pitots misleading the Airbus AT to reduce thrust for overspeed protection.
Of course, now this will be fully coherent with a sequence starting after those "iced pitots" (Der Spiegel) detected by the system (0210) while the aircraft has switched to ALT2 (prot lost: no overspeed protection, nor autothrust, nor autopilot...); I'm not even mentioning that its airspeed was more likely droping due to ice crystals instead of increasing.
But who care?

Originally Posted by Khashoggi
The max thrust causes a pitching moment, it also makes the Airbus Flight protections kick in for overspeed protection resulting in a hard pitch up. Aggravated stall?
Good catch: max thrust (manualy applied as no autothrust) can cause a pitching moment that no ammount of autotrim can stop without any stick impulses from the pilot (as no autopilot). But why --beside the paradoxal use of a lost protection in the first place-- would another "overspeed protection" kicks by now a "pitching up" (instead of reducing thrust --without autothrust!) like above?
Reasons: an "aggravated stall" is where an Airbus would better go --without any help from its pilots-- to make a good drama for Hollywood.

Originally Posted by Khashoggi
Presumably this is where the AP and AT would give up and say YOUR AIRPLANE.
You certainly MUST BE RIGHT: After making all those nasty things, such a nasty aircraft would of course give up the very first things it already gave up (autopilot and autothrust, including its flight envelope protections) when pitot icing was first detected. Go figure!

Good try anyway if your post was not sarcastic.
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