Morrisman I think if you read the limitations for holding in ENR 1.5 for both countries you will see that it is possible with a Cat C or higher aircraft that speeds of up to 280 knots or 0.8 Mach are available in turbulence while holding. Outbound timing above 14000' is 1.5 minutes
280 knots is over 4.5 miles a minute so anyway..you could easily use up your 5 miles
Best place is PANS OPS which is the design criteria all the ICAO member states are supposed to use
http://www.icao.int/icaonet/dcs/8168...4_advanced.pdf
read that if you're desperate for something to do 744
Yea im hearing you but at 14000 you arent going to hit anything anyway.
Its 5NM beyond the holding area - its the area that they calculate will be required given aircraft speed, winds etc so a hold which is available to a cat c aircraft will be a lot larger than a cat A hold.