jcjeant, one thing that has struck me over the last nearly two years is now much raw sloppiness seems to be involved in this one flight and its aftermath. If I were stupidstitious I'd start mumbling about a jinxed plane or something. ATCs all over the flight's path were sloppy (in agreement with you on this point). It appears either Maintenance or the people in the cockpit were sloppy. It appears the investigators have been sloppy in their thinking from time to time. The only sloppy I mentioned we KNOW did not cause the accident is the sloppiness involved in finally locating the wreckage.