The BA Scope Clause.

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bral - Firstly some simple maths pertaining to your post:-

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They are removing 16 RJs from the mainline fleet, removing 16 RJs worth of pilot positions from mainline and displacing almost all the pilots at BHX, MAN and the LGW RJ fleet.
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And what will replace the RJs? The 737/Airbus a/c from the regions. You ex CFE are BA pilots - you can fly them, or do they have too many seats?

By my reckoning BA currently have

x Concorde, 777 ,767, 757, 747, 737, A320, A319, ATRs in London
8 A319s at BHX
16 RJs at LGW

which is x+24 aircraft

After this proposal we would have:

x Concorde, 777 ,767, 757, 747, 737, A320, A319, ATRs in London
8 A319s extra at LHR
0 RJs at LGW

which is x+8 aircraft, or 16 RJs worth of pilot positions removed from BA.

As for this :-

The BACC want scope to protect their members from the possibility that BACX could increase the size of aircraft in the future? But you (BACX) say BACC, can operate the a/c provided your pilots are on BA T&C's. OK say the BACX managers - we agree to that. Ah, but won't BACC then say, "Only after our Mainline guys who used to work for BAR are allowed to operate them." Then there are the ex CFE pilots, after all they are too junior to others who have bid for the Airbus/737 - what happens to them? After all they ARE BA pilots and they will not be able to stay on a similar sized jet (grandfather right as you called them). Sorry airage, BACC wants it all ways, BALPA are NOT looking after the interest of its BACX members.

Well see my sums above. If BACX managers agreed to let you fly the RJ on the same T & Cs as BA (which they haven't) its still has the potential to take 16 RJs worth of jobs out of BA. BA management want to offload the RJs to suit their own needs so I would damn well expect that anyone in BAR who wants to stay in the regions or anyone in CFE who wants to protect their grandfather rights on the aircraft gets first choice on it. BACC quite rightly demand the best deal for BA pilots. By all means protest to your own CC, but that doesn't change the fact that the British Airways RJs are an issue to be resolved between BA management and the BACC. If or when a deal is struck between the two partys then you can do what you like with them, but until then they stay as BA aircraft . If you want to buy a whole fleet of 99 seat RJs then go ahead, but the wholesale transfer of BA owned/leased aircraft to a subsidiary or an independent company is a different issue entirely.