The BA Scope Clause.

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I think I have already my views clear here for those who have been willing to actually read the Posts, so no need to rehash it again and again to those who seem to want to maintain a Divisive atitude to BA Pilots. If you re-read my original Posts you will not find divisive, abusive or vulgar posts which has been the resultant response from some. In fact a quick read of the last few pages by anyone outside either company might startle some into hearing the arrognace and abuse being shown against the BA guys despite the actual content of the BA guys posts.

Of the many issues I raised;
- BA Pilots are actually losing their jobs in the Regions not stealing others.
- how if BA Pilots were all bullies then the ex-CFE/BRAL, etc guys wouldn't have had nearly as easy a ride of it to date, especially with regards FSS job losses, lose of jobs in the regions and Grandfather rights. Being a massive majority meant 0 wishes of the joining few could have been crushed by one ballet of 3300 BA Bully Pilots if we had indeed been as described here by some.
- Scope protecting all our jobs from future non-UK labour
- how being in a large company(3500 Pilots) means that it works for the majority of Pilots(whether you were taken on by BA directly or TAKEN over, junior or senior, LH or SH)but it doesn't work for all of the Pilots all of the time. I have been at the short-end of the stick 4times in 8years already. It's not a BA Pilot Vs non-BA Pilot thing, so try not to take it so personal.
- Why are you guys not discussing this in the privacy of the Official BALPA Forum instead of airing this on a Public Forum ? Are a lot of the guys complaining about BALPA here actually even Members at all, is that why you chose this Forum ?

TINYtims unconstructive response was
"I honestly think that some of you BA boys are so inflated with your own self importance that you genuinely believe that if you repeat the self justifying drivel about the benefits of Scope to BACX etc often enough then we will believe it. "

Can anyone verify whether tinytim is actually a Pilot in any of the Companies being discussed or is just enjoying the thrill of getting anyone to respond to his Posts(unfortuantely I have some doubts).

I don't see any point in continuing to participate in any debate with people(not all people here, apologies to those who do not fit this description here) who aren't willing to debate the points logically but just shout rhetoric or abuse. tinytim if you can explain logically how becoming part of BA, and subsequently the Scope agreement is detrimental to your longterm future as a Pilot then I will be glad to hear it. I haven't heard anything yet that would justify all the abuse flying BA Pilots way when a lot of consideration of the concerns of the Pilots coming onboard (from Firms that have been TAKEN OVER)have often been dealt with before those of Pilots already in BA(ie. job losses in the regions).

Perhaps you would prefer BALPA to sign a LHR-only Scope agreement and we could let you guys in the Regions fight your own battles with European market forces and BA outsourcing Pilots to the lowest bidders, then where would you stand ? But doing that would make BA Pilots the selfish idiots you accuse us of being.