A lot of smoke and mirrors. Let the AAVA agreement fall when due, there should be no movement on this, as it has nothing to do with a NTUS pay claim, just as Met is a sectional issue. There are a lot of new managers in our organisation who, think we are overstaffed in the operational areas, who have got used to staffing up with AAVA's and O/T for the respective grades, who think that we will roll over and do their will. Well, we have the power in our own hands to prove otherwise, it's not about splitting open the keg and lighting the powder. This is negotiation from days gone by, where principal and rights are being discussed, yes albeit to get extra money in our pockets, but also to defend our very existence and integrity as a united workforce.