Maybe there should be an impartial person at every meeting that videos the whole meeting and then broadcasts it on aims so we ca all read it. That would most certainly stop the BS wouldn't it?
Everyone needs to remember here, whatever deal gets excepted you will be back paid to the start of negotiation so don't fret to much and accept a rubbish deal that isn't as rubbish as the last just because you are desperate for your money now. That is exactly what happened last time and sadly most of those guys that voted to accept left anyway.
There are a lot of guys/gals here that want a good deal for everybodypresent and future so that we can stay and make something better out of this airline rather than something better for 'them'.
But I do agree this is going on and on and on..... Final offers Mr French?
Obviously Mr Strong hasn't sorted it so perhaps you need to step in?
Also BALPA please ballot us next time for a realistic request rather than a demeaning 5-6%.. If we are to negotiate effectively we need to be serious at the first instance and not try and second guess what the company might go for. Rather, as a few others have pointed out, 10 to 20 or even more % should have been the starting figure and this should not have been thrown in for negotiation with the scheduing aggreement.
Or perhaps, food for thought, if we were to accept the latest agreement on scheduling and Ts and Cs then I would need another 30% at least.