The BA Scope Clause.

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You guys are forgetting one thing, YOU WERE TAKEN OVER. BA paid good money to your employers(£78m in fact, more than an 80% Premium to your share Price at the time of the announcement) not just for assets but accrued Goodwill - Economic FACT !!!

So Yes Dash Trash your most Senior CAPT now becomes Junior to the most Junior BA Pilot, just like as if he had joined from the RAF or Britannia. If you don't like it, go complain to your former owners who sold out ! Why should 3300 BA Pilots accept previous time in an other company for Seniority in BA - get Real ! If I joined BRAL(when it still existed) as a retired BA Pilot, would you have given me seniority based on 30years in BA......NO and rightly so.

As for your other points raised in order to accept a scope clause:

"1. Inclusion on mainline seniority list based on DOJ of original company (Brymon BRAL etc.). "
Covered Above. BRAL was TAKEN OVER/BOUGHT OUT, not merged as equals(or even David and Goliath style). It could be argued that BA Pilots wouldn't have even had to allowed you to maintain your Commands if we had wanted to be bullies, as everyone here seems to suggest we are. Imagine if we were as bad as suggested where you might be......unemployed with FSS ??? Have you ever considered that ?

"2. Inclusion on mainline list open to all BACX pilots irrespective of aircraft type and rank. (i.e. not just jet/146 captains). "
Then give up your retirement of 60/65 and sign a BA contract ? Why should other BA Pilots accept Pilots with different contracts/retirement ages on any BA aircraft when a lot of guys there presently are forced out against their will at 55, but BRAL guys can stay on ? Again if BA had been a bully they would have forced BRAL guys to sign new contracts and everyone over 55 dismissed. But BA Pilots are the bad guys here.

"3. No interview or flight test to access suitability. If you're good enough to fly for BACX, you're good enough to fly for mainline. "
Agreed, but I don't run the BA insurance dept where legalities may require it. BA Pilots aren't demanding this requirement.

There are two sides to ever coin guys, just ask the Senior BA CAPT's now being pushed out of the Regions to be replaced by your Junior CAPT's(junior in BA cause of takeover) how happy they are to have BRAL in BA. Then ask the 50-100 guys not getting their 757 Commands at LHR this year because of regional Capts junior to them are being directed onto the fleet how they feel about it. All this talk of BA Pilots looking after their jobs is far from reality, in fact the opposite is happening. You guys became part of BA(like it or not)when your owners sold BRAL to BA. No one can deny that there are probably more advantages to most ex-BRAL guys being in BA than being out, unless you thought maybe BRAL was going to buy over 250jets some of which are 747's and 777's and fly to most places in the world.

If we had been the spoilt Neadrathals in BA as intimated in some of your posts, we would have demanded;
- All BRAL Pilots sign BA Pilot contracts(mandatory age 55 retirement). Those over 55 become redundant immediately.
- that all FS&S job losses be from the bottom of the BA Seniority list(not having Senior 747 Classic Pilots without work for 1-2years on half pay, etc)
- all Regional jobs were filled in order of Seniority and bidding, instead of the present situation of BA Pilots losing their jobs to BRAL Pilots after haven taken reduced Pay for years to fund a New Aircraft that never came. Surplus BRAL Pilots(including CAPTs) are fed into the regular bidding Pool.(junior co-pilots)

So quite bleating about how unfair you are being treated, there are now 3500 people's opinions to consider and you guys are starting to make a lot of people feel sick with your unrealistic moaning. And before you start posting about how unreasonable I am being, remember the above is not what I said should have happened, but what might have happened "If we had been the spoilt Neadrathals in BA as intimated in some of your posts." Instead BRAL and ex-CFE Pilots concerns have often taken the forefront before "our Own existing Pilots" and I think have been dealt with a lot of consideration without a legal obligation to have done so.

So welcome to Big Airways !

PS. Any reason why you guys aren't posting these matters on the more Private Official BA-BALPA Forum, or perhaps after all this bleating about BALPA mistreating you guys, you aren't even members.