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Old 21st March 2011 | 10:40
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Agree. And you didn't even refer to Tenerife. Which was, as far as I know, the trigger that caused all this.

But my point remains. Once you are lined up and waiting, what you're waiting for is the take-off clearance. You should have had your departure clearance already by then, especially if it's a complicated departure with multiple lateral and vertical instructions.
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