Biggles, how many years has Skippers taken cadets for? I know for a fact that it has been at least five years. It hasn't always been fast track but they have been taking cadets for at least that long all the same. So again please explain to me how something that has been going on for at least five years is all of a sudden going to make everyone jump ship? And sickofitall where did your friends go to? Jetstar? Skywest? Try to remember guys that cadetships are a bigger problem than just at Skippers.