Yes exactly what I was saying; early nav is about learning the right techniques and adapting to the new task of flying and navigating. Cabair were happy to take me up into Cloud over the Chiltern ridge into a 60kts headwind. Which has no benefit to me learning a PPL. Yes in a commercial career you will fly in alot worse; but if you havn't mastered the basics properly this will be confounded. If you want to pay around 11k for a PPL go to Cabair at Denham or if you wanna pay around 7k for the same license go to the Pilot Centre. I have recomended a few people now over to Denham from Cabair and they have also been more than please with what they got.
And if your against learning in CAVOK conditions what about all these people learning in Sunny florida? Obviously there is a reason and i don't think you understand the Idea of a Learning Objective.