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Old 27th Feb 2011, 13:11
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Chris Scott
 
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Disadvantages of A/THR approaches on Airbus FBW

Quote from BOAC (Post #80):
"LR - it is appropriate to note that this 'experienced' crew did not maintain power after the bounce in order to cushion the return to earth as per 'normal'."
and from CONF_iture (Post #81):"Another example of the poor A/THR response for a late wind change. A bit of thrust under manual thrust would have helped to improve the first touchdown and avoid what came next."

As a Boeing pilot (?), what BOAC may not appreciate is the difficulty involved in doing this on Airbus FBW aeroplanes when A/THR is engaged. (Have to confess to having not read the report, but am assuming that the PF was using A/THR, which is sadly the SOP in most airlines.) The reason for this, he will now recall, is that the non-driven throttles (thrust levers) are both stationary in the Climb-Thrust detent throughout the approach. If left there during the flare, the thrust will normally tend to rise to correct the airspeed decay. This is usually not desirable: hence the pilot normally retards the thrust levers as he/she commences the flare.

The difficulty arises in the case of significant airspeed loss just before the flare, before A/THR is disengaged. There is a crude logic which enables the PF to apply a burst of thrust by pushing the levers forward for a very short time (assuming he/she does not elect to go around).

On the other hand, once the thrust levers have been closed, the A/THR is disengaged automatically, and you are in conventional manual thrust. Unfortunately, most Airbus FBW pilots get little or no practice at using this (except for taxiing), so are ill-prepared if they suddenly need an increase in thrust in the flare.

This is why CONF_iture and I advocate the use of manual thrust for non-AP (visual) approaches, provided visual contact is acquired in time to carry out the slightly fiddly, time-consuming process of disengaging the autothrottle. This involves initially retarding the throttles to a point where the thrust limit matches the existing thrust (using the N1 or EPR gauges, as appropriate to the engine type) so as to avoid any undesired thrust change and then disengaging the A/THR. The thrust levers then work conventionally, and are second to none in my experience. The GS-Mini system helps enormously to minimise thrust changes in windshear, provided you remember that it provides a target speed, NOT a minimum speed.

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