Zeke, just a small point, you said the 777 at V was a failure to JNB and HKT. JNB because not enough punters, HKT because not enough money. JNB was probably destined to fail up against SAA and QF. HKT had full flights most the time. But you can't make money on them charging enough to compete with the other incumbents. The HKT flights were only ever a way to get into the market and create some utilisation for the a/c. The idiot who dreamed that up, (operating the a/c to lose "less" money) is long gone, thanks christ.