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Old 21st January 2011 | 18:58
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maverick777
 
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Guys what do we all as pilots & people want in life?
A good reliable income?
The ability to be at home with family as often as possibe?
A company who accepts & respects its staff?
A decent aircraft to fly?
A decent reliable or predictable roster?
Prospects of becoming a Captain/LTC/TRE?
All leading to a decent lifestyle?
People orientated management?
A good atmosphere at work?

So of all those things what do you have in ryanair?
Lets break these down 1 by 1 and see!

A good reliable income? - NO.....NOT as a new Captain!!!! 54,000 euro and 22.78 per SBH sector if permenent, or 120.50/hr as a BRK CP? ... Thats pretty MISERABLE to support a family on for future references and just about enuf to survive with few luxuries in life if single! Add to that that there have been practically no pay rises in 5 yrs in FR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If there has been it has been an insult and nullified by tax! Furthmore ryanair DOES NOT adjust pay in relation to inflation and currency changes recession or not. Currently the Irish governemt are increaseing tax by 7% on average. Ryanair are not increasing / changing pay accordingly!!

The ability to be at home with family as often as possibe?
Not in RYR....You may wait MANY years to get your home base ! How many years and hours in the back or jump seat listening to inaudible, pushy, ear-piercing PAs made my Cabin crew on less than the minimum wage do you have to endure before you can be at your home base?!! If you want to avoid that you have to relocate your family to your new base!!!

A company who accepts & respects its staff?
NOT if hell froze over !! O'Leary, O'Brien, Cawley, Wilson, Osborne, Millar -all the bosses. THEY DONT GIVE A flying- about pilots, CCs or Engineers - not an iota of a !! They LOATHE us! Case in point being - Number one cabin crew landing the plane - Beds and blowjobs - telling embraer in Brazil that they would pump billions into a pilotless a/c, giving themselve MASSIVE bonuses and paying 500m to shareholders whilst saying publicly "who else will we give the money to"

A decent aircraft to fly.. Certainly the 737-800w is a glass cockpit airplane and manageble in crosswinds IF you have decent handling skills, decent anti-icing and in fairness they rarely go with open HILs in ryr! Well proven safety for the LOCOs across the world. So this is a plus. Nice to be a skipper on!

A decent reliable or predictable roster?
Went from 5.2/5.3 to 5.4.5.4 company wide, but now a mixture of 5.4/5.3 and soon probably 5.3 as standard to come company-wide. Predictable? yes, but whats gonna happen? Uncertainty lingers.....if it does come into force will you as a new CP in FR have a choice? NO! Will you be told to F Off if you complain?Hell yes! Increased pressures on the circadian rythms and getting home from your remote European base which you had no choice but to goto!

Prospects of becoming a Captain/LTC/TRE?
Yes there are upgrade opportunities BUT there is now very poor financial reward, particularly compared to other similar and legacy carriers.

A decent lifestyle? in RYR? It depends what combination of the above you achieve. And it seems from my 5 years in this place that unless you are here 8 to 9 years or more AND at your original and home base near family, you are not reaching that decent lifestyle standard. SUch pilots are few in RYR.

People orientated management? . not if hell froze over in Ryanair!

A good atmosphere at work?
Never did i expect in my life that i would experience such negativity, anger, frustration, lack of accaptance,and distain towards a closed-door management system! Forget that.

It all points to not accepting a command upgrade here in ryanair....

Its a very hard decision to make!!. You make your bed you lie in it!

For all the years of taking the trashing and abuse and cuts from management and putting up with it do you accept to go thru alll that hard work in the interview, 4 long days in the sim, ground school, a month of line training, AND put up with more as a Captain in ryr, and accept this added pressure RELUCTANTLY and lack of support from management and low pay!

Its a masive culture shock to move to Arabia (Emirates Etihad Qatar GulfAir).

Just throwing my opinion and experiences out there to help the decision making process...
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