Sixtiesrelic, I'm with you. No offence to you gen Y folk, but the way some have their brains wired, they just don't seem to notice when they're really inconveniencing and pissing off us grissly old wrinklies... Its not that they don't care, they just don't have the capacity to sense it.... they are almost always very polite and apologetic when these things are gently brought to their attention. You cant blame the poor darlings, they cannot helpi it.