bast0n before you go, could you please answer my question? Your opinion is that the pilots were in error. What is that based on, that they crashed, or that they went IMC at the TP, or what? I cannot understand how you can be of that opinion based on mere circumstantial evidence, or even worse the MOD "old evidence". I am quite prepared to accept that they may have been in error, even that they may have been negligent, but I don't know. Do you, or are you indeed a "don't know"? If so why don't you simply say so?