But PAN, you were a big basher of the machine not the company. You did bash both, but you seemed to have an extreeme hard-on for the Explorer in particular. That does not seem to fit your response to coconutty. It was directed too, as you never would bring up faults and short-commings of the EC products, and there are many. It was like reading political writings from American journalists- one sided and not totally truthful- I think it is called BIASED. That is actually OK in a free society. You can be as biased as you want- no harm in it at all. But you have to accept that we see you as biased and should not complain when you are called biased.