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Thrust Control on Finals and Wing Strength

The quality of this topic is very impressive - particularly from the engineers. Thank you. Here are a few insights.

Thrust Control on Finals

Thrust Control - Good guessing but lots of noise here ...

Eng 3 in ALTN Mode (N1 with -4% thrust protection) (Due EEC having insufficient valid signals to calculate TPR)

1+4 EEC errors logged. Degraded mode is purely due to loss of sensor inputs/EEC errors. Think of it as the engine in Direct Law (no thrust protections!) (Due EEC not able to calc TPR demand. So N1 commanded as a function of TRA and altitude)

One engine in a degraded mode does not cause another symmetrical engine into degrade mode. Airbus never matches thrust - it's against their philosophy "manual thrust is manual thrust!" - not like pseudo Boeing "manual thrust".

So 1 & 4 in Degraded (think Direct Law) Mode (no protections)
3 in ALTN mode (think Alternate Law with protections)
2 was in Degraded mode (not surprising given there were so few sensors left)

NO engines were in a normal mode.

This is why 1,2,4 had N1 centric displays (Degraded) and 3 had an TPR centric display (ALTN) (though thrust set via N1 with 4% pad).

Thrust control on 1,3,4 all 100% correct (but differing protections)

Auto Thrust inop due to MORE THAN 2 eng in Degraded Mode

1+4 thrust levers held constant to: (not in any manuals)
  1. permit very accurate (vernier) total thrust -> speed control on finals
  2. minimise thrust missmatch->yaw->roll->flight control demand on finals with thrust changes (ESSENTIAL when little excess roll control available)

1+4 WAS NOT held at constant thrust due to them being in Degraded Mode (illogical).

Conclusion: The three level 380s thrust system has incredible fail operational capability.

WING STRENGTH
  1. Not a problem. Wing loaded ~23% to ultimate limit (1.1/2.5 X 440/569 X 1/1.5) (Max 20 deg AOB/MaxG, Wt/MTOW, Ultimate Load factor)
  2. Airbus supercritical wings are VERY aft-loaded.
  3. Leading spar only contributes 5% strength - it's more scaffolding for the leading edge

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