Cameronian, if you are pulling my chain to make me feel stupid you are doing a good job. If the strobe lights were flashing during refueling and the FDR shows the ground idle was at actual approach idle then the Madrid MD82 crash is solved we have solved the problem. If you look at my 2650 post you will see I had the exact thing happen at night and had to compress the nose strut to get back no strobes, no approach idle and get TOWS back. If anyone can transfer this information to Spain if this isn't BS info I can tell them what happened to that airplane, it happened to me. If you are just having fun, have fun.