Thanks for that info, but have a question. Dad is convinced that it cant get CAA authority to fly, due to the VMCA problem, rotate at 125kts, vmca is 165kts! He may be a bit out of touch, maybe it was his model that did that. PN, dad remembers the chaps you mentioned, he has lots of other dits as well, something to do with piano's and thunderflash's and rickshaws! Samuel, dad quit rugby after playing against you lot, something to do with a nav who had bottle end glasses, due to a kick in the head during a game on the Tarmac like playing field.