Sunfish , who do you mean by " firing engine experts "if you mean the guys in the CoE in Sydney you are wrong , I and other union delegates negotiated a retraining package for those who wanted to stay , some did others took a package . Contrary to what you might think , the ALAEA and Sp are not the only association/ Union who represent engineers . In fact the ALAEA was born out of those who broke away from the old AEU / ASE /ETU and formed ther own union to. Ame's are the unsung heroes .