Hi Whirly. I will bring it back if your desperate to see it in here. It is a helicopter thing so its gone to the helicopter thing forum. Simple really. I know there may be a bit of interest from PPL's so i left the redirect here for all to see instead of removing it completely. If i allow this one to stay then where will it stop? As i say, if you feel it should be here then i will return it. Its your forum after all.......