Tan, the answer to your question is NO, they wont get it till we kick them out of our airspace, I repeat, you have have delt with them to be able to understand their mind set, they have not a clue that they are shooting themselves in the foot, for person who has spent their life in a Western democracy and not been exposed to their mind set its almost impossible to grasp this .Such simplistic views as expressed by "Married to a Canadian" are on par with Chamberlins understanding of the Nazies, and we all know where that went! Maggie Thatcher understood this about the Argies and got it right, I hope our PM gets it right!