I'm beginning to see why crew abandon this discussion as an alternative to sitting through it.
This seems to be a common theme amongst those who can't or don't want to accept that there exists a different perception of the current dispute than that commonly accepted on other forums. That others exist who don't hold to the values accepted by those supporting the BASSA action seems to be greeted with incredularity that they 'can't see the light'.
The current BASSA stance of 'well, look hasn't the current situation got better as we said it would' is akin to a patient being told by a doctor that they don't need surgery. The patient then goes away and has the operation anyway and when the doctor next sees them 2 years later and say's 'I told you so'.
The rest of the company took the decision almost 2 years ago to accept that change was required. BASSA have provaricated for so long now that the rest of the company (37000 odd accepting the losses BASSA have had) have passed them by.
Unite, through Tony Woodley, has been trying to convince the BASSA board to accept negotiated agreements as even BA has seen the futility of trying to deal with BASSA, to no avail. The BASSA board won't even put deals to the vote unless they contain the requisite triggers and then only those with the least to lose vote leading to an apathetic and hollow victory for yet another round of useless strikes.
This is no longer, nor has it ever been about impostition or new fleet. This has never even been about the impact on the average crew member. BASSA have lost the grip of fear they had on the management and are desperate to wrest back whatever they can. Unless they can achieve a full U-Turn from either Willie Walsh or Kieth Williams they will not be happy.