Progress report all three machine working fine now,odd thing,hooking the lads puter up to my broadband I got straight into the microsoft website,as it happened I didn't need SP 2 or 3, download some more recent drivers from the mother board manufacturers website and it's working fine now.
Mebee my machine is banned from Microsoft?
A lot of people had a problem with Realtek HD sound chips on motherboards that SP 3 cured Mr Pop,that was the reason I downloaded it origionaly