Cpt thank you for your edit of my early morning post. I especially liked the botanical lecture. We will have to disagree on the feelings of the majority of the workforce towards management. You are just wrong that's all. Maybe some of the pilots are unhappy with their lot (God only knows why) and some in ISD, but in the main the workers appreciate a well run and profitable business. They work in a lovely building with excellent facilities both business and social. By the by, not being pedantic, I actually said it was a magnificent organisation and that management of it was great. I completely stand by that because it is true. 56 years mate, one petty cash loss and that was a book keeping sleight of hand as we actually made an operating profit that year also. Would they be great management if they rolled over and played dead for you? The history of the AOA over the last five years reads like a litany of missed opportunities.